08-09-06

Hope to get the results of the technical analysis within 2 weeks

 

It normally takes approximately two weeks to get an answer on such a technical request as the one addressed by the technical experts to the University of Ghent (about the broken casting parts). I hope that Audi will also inspect the electronic box of the car after this, to see if the collision level was sufficient to trigger the airbags.

I do not want to discuss here the last recalls of Audi about the Audi A8's (October-November 2005 and August-September 2006) with regard to airbag problems, I'm not sure if they're related to the airbags problem in my Audi Q7, yet if someone knows more about this, please post a comment.

01:07 Gepost door Aurel Gavriloaia in Général | Permalink | Commentaren (40) |  Facebook |

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metaalmoeheid ? ik kan het niet echt goed zien op de foto's, maar een dergelijke breuk met 2 "zones" op het breukvlak kan wijzen op metaalmoeheid; door een onvolkomenheid (een fout) in het materiaal kan er op een bepaalde plaats een piekspanning ontstaan bij belasting die eerst resulteert in een steeds groter wordend scheurtje (één deel van het breukvlak, over het algemeen gladder) waarna het stuk plots volledig doorbreekt (wat het brosse deel van de breuk verklaart). Als dat het geval was zou men dat in Gent ondubbelzinnig moeten kunnen vaststellen.

Gepost door: Hans | 12-09-06

BAD GOOD LUCK .......

Gepost door: JEREMY | 23-09-06

knowhow Any news about the case or is this just a hoax? What happened before the accident? Some offroad or hard driving?




Gepost door: Pärttyli | 23-09-06

Is this a hoax? Is Pärttyli really reading this blog!!! This is the typical rhetoric you come to expect when you have a big problem in a "sought" after car...

In my case I've been called many unsavoury things for daring to bring the fact that my car was less than reliable and at best very dangerous.

I got out of my car with less than a minute to spare and I can only feel bad for people who encounter similar life changing experiences.

From my point of view even thinking this was a hoax is absolutely unforgivable and people like that should think twice before casting stones around - there are far too many glass houses about.

In this case its clear that the car didnt perform.

BTW - in a recent test on tv they had a car on a rolling test crash at 20 , 30 and 40 mph - and it was only at 40mph did the air bags deploy...

On something as expensive as an audi I'd expect the latest and greatest detection and airbags - however this doesnt seem to be the case.

All the best

PG.

Gepost door: peegee | 24-09-06

No news, not yet Still waiting for the answer of the University of Ghent. About wat happened before the accident: nothing special at all, just four hours driving normally on the highway coming from Brussels, getting through Paris, driving straight forward at 130 km/h, on a nice highway, nothing else, Pärttyli... And than the car lost its wheel. Just like that. Because the casting had a default. Since the beginning. From the factory.

Gepost door: Aurel | 24-09-06

Thanks, peegee You were one minute before me in posting an answer to Pärttyli. I think some people do not take the time to read the whole story, this is why I do not post any new topics the last days, because I could only say that 3 weeks after the technical inspection, there is no news yet from the University. Despite the fact that everybody seemed to believe that there would be an answer within two weeks.

Gepost door: Aurel | 24-09-06

Land Rover Discovery I showed your pics to an independent evaluator in Sweden and he immediately (I mean immediately) noticed that the car hit an obstruction in the road. He also noticed (and he is not the only one) that the airbag did not work because the vehicle sustained a side impact and not a frontal impact. Get a life and stop complaing. It was your own fault!

Gepost door: Jacques | 25-09-06

Is Jaq real? Does he have a clue - NO! Are you blind Jaq!!! look at the picture again. I've even included the link. The car has clearly hit something at the front of the car... Please re-read the blog and you'll see what actually happened. Please book yourself and your so called assessor into the nearest optician for an eye test.

It terrible but I see a similarity to the rhetoric I had to put up with on volvo related sites! Perhaps this is a FMC owner related issue.

It is almost like the same person "Get a life and stop complaing" , "It was your own fault" are phrases from people I've heard many times in trying to pass on my dangerously learned experiences that almost cost me my life.

I think people like Jaq obviously live in a perfect world that nothing goes wrong in. Unfortunately like it or not - LIFE ISNT LIKE THIS!!!

I'd go as far as to not even wish what happened to me on yourself Jaq, no matter how convenient that would be - as I dont think anyone should have to suffer as I and others have.

To make it worse people here have no protection against it happening and no protection to fix things afterwards... Even my insurance company didnt want to pay out.

I was even told just recently that had I died in the accident then my wife would have had to still prove that a manufacturing fault caused my death - an absolutely horrific situation for anyone never mind a mother with children with no father to look after them.
If it couldnt be proved that there was a fault then there is every reason that my life insurances would have refused to pay also - as it could not be ruled out that I hadnt started the fire myself and commited suicide!!!

The knock on from any serious life changing event cant be measured in a moan or a groan about a particular manufacturer - or whether someone should stop complaining.
It can only be measured in the physical and mental scars it leaves behind and the damage to ones family and everyday life that we have to go forward and live with.

To look upon anyone so casually and tell them to "get a life" and it was "your own mistake" would indicate the person saying this doesnt think much of their own or anyone elses life and as such I cannot regard people like Jaq as part of the human race.

To be human you have to be able to show respect, understanding and empathy to our fellow human beings who have encountered terrible situations. You Jaq have failed on all counts.

Join the human race again Jaq and show us all some remorse... May your god of choice and a fault free life go with you...

Gepost door: peegee | 25-09-06

It's not worth... Peegee, it's not worth giving an answer to such a person. I mean expressing his opinion, everyone is free to do it, it is the principle of such a blog. So his comment may stay on this blog. His way to express it is something else. Yes, such people exist, and it's good for us that they remember us that they are here... so we can watch out!

Gepost door: aurel | 25-09-06

Land Rover Discovery Even you said it:

"The car has clearly hit something at the front of the car."

Yes, the guy hit something while driving 130km/h. He is blaming the car not the driver! Come on, get a life you too!

And now he is hoping to find some academic characters to prove that he is right. This has nothing to do with the university. He should get the insurance or Audi guys down there and inspect the vehicle! He should contact his Audi dealer.

HOW MANY SIMILAR CASES THERE ARE? STATISTICALLY SPEAKING, THERE IS NO CASE!

Gepost door: Jacques | 25-09-06

contradictions galore Like Aurel said you can post if you want - however I can't take you seriously.

I've spoken to many experts involved on my own car - tech and forensic experts. None of them would comment without making a visit to the car. I think you've had nothing more than a discussion in a pub - with no substance or consideration for the facts presented.

As for the facts - none of the airbags went off - even the curtain airbags which are supposed to cover all 7 seats.

As in the UK blurb from Audi - these curtains are there to prevent various things occurring in the event of an accident.

1) prevent people striking their head against pillars and door surrounds.
2) prevent peoples arms/extremities going outwith the car in event of a rollover
3) to prevent glass hitting driver and passengers

So - to recap - we have a car which looses its wheel and crashes - yet not one airbag was triggered!!! I'd say this is a major flaw in the Q7...

Its also a matter of record with previous NCAP tests that cars have had to re-test due to "non deployment" of airbags. This often occurs on new cars that havent had enough testing or cars that have been designed to go off road - and the sensors are set too high and/or are not clever enough to sense things correctly and prevent false or non deployments.

Its often only the subsequent production runs that incorporate these ncap found faults/changes - as there is no law to force them to recall and adjust / fix their already sold units.

Gepost door: peegee | 26-09-06

Especially for you, "dear" Jacques... Jacques, when I read your comments, it seems to me you really have problems with understanding (if you took the time to read all posted articles, which I doubt about) the English text on this blog. Especially for you, Google prepared a French translation ("jacquesdelamarche"). Even if it's far from being perfect as translation, it allows you to easier understand what's written in the different articles). And about your nickname you're using as a title of your comments, please see Adrian Melrose's site if you happen to be a fan of Land Rover Discovery.

Gepost door: Aurel | 26-09-06

Especially for you, "dear" Jacques... Jacques, when I read your comments, it seems to me you really have problems with understanding (if you took the time to read all posted articles, which I doubt about) the English text on this blog. Especially for you, Google prepared a French translation ("jacquesdelamarche"). Even if it's far from being perfect as translation, it allows you to easier understand what's written in the different articles). And about your nickname you're using as a title of your comments, please see Adrian Melrose's site if you happen to be a fan of Land Rover Discovery.

Gepost door: Aurel | 26-09-06

Land Rover Discovery No, I do not have any problems to understand the text. I am just realistic. This is a highly unusual incident; new car, high speed, accident, followed by frustration. Do you really think that Audi did not test drive the car, which is not, in fact, a new car. People have been testing this car for years; it is a Tuareg/Cayanne! Let's wait for the final report on this. I am convinced, driver's fault. If not, where are the other cases?

Gepost door: Jacques | 26-09-06

Same old same old Your just doing to Aurel what others have done to me - showing a lack of respect of his problem.

I had a "safety" orientated volvo - and it too was new - and it too let me down almost costing me my life. I too had lots of "volvo" hardliners doubting me and even going as far as to accuse me of being a closet smoker and causing my own fire!!!

BOTH MINE AND AUREL'S CASES SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED.

I have been in touch with other owners who've had similar situations and there are countless other wrecked and crushed XC90's out there where the owners were lucky enough to get a settlement on their car. I've spoken to wreckers yards who've had others in thru their doors - however the system does its utmost to protect those who should be exposed...

So there are others out there in similar situations and they shouldnt have to put up with this sort of rubbish.

If people like ourselves dont try and make things better for others and try and head off someone else possibly loosing their life - then I'd not be able to live with myself for that. We can all say "we tried" and thats enough for me - I dont think you can.

Gepost door: peegee | 26-09-06

No News yet ?
What is taking so long ?

Or has your Wife finally told you that she did hit on something before the frontend collapsed ?

Gepost door: No News... | 29-09-06

Mr. No name No, no news Mr. No name. It's one month ago that the technical inspection took place and still no answer from the University of Ghent. Why it takes so long? Ask them yourself, as you really don't seem to understand what's written on this blog. I was driving before the Audi Q7 with our other car, there was no car between us, I saw everything happening in my mirror. So if you really think you're so clever and express yourself the way you do, maybe you imagine that a piece of a tree fell from the sky and came under the Audi and removed the wheel. Stop writing these kind of stupid things, please, people are not obliged to read your comments. If you do not change your "style", I'll be obliged to remove your comments from this blog. People are welcome to say what they think as long as they are polite; I do not have any problems with that, whichever opinion they express. But you are different, so please stop this kind of comments and spend your time elsewhere.

Gepost door: Aurel | 29-09-06

Land Rover Discovery I think Mr. No News got it right to the point. Sometimes it is hard to admit the truth...

The story has holes bigger than the black hole. As he does not want to accept what the experts already told him, he went to see other experts. Sooner or later he will find an expert who agrees with him.

Gepost door: Jacques | 30-09-06

I told you have some problems, Jacques It's the expert from Audi Belgium together with the experts from the insurance who sent the broken parts to the University after the technical inspection. So please, if you cannot read what's written here, just be patient and wait until I'll post the result of this.

Gepost door: Aurel | 30-09-06

Why don't we wait for the final results of the research that is done by Audi? I am a metallurgical engineer and have received my (wife's) Q7 last week. Aftre reading this blog and before receiving our Q7 I wrote to Prof. Winterkorn about this incident and I received an immediate call by his assistand and several days later a letter in which they stated that the Q7 is basically a safe car and that the are researching this accident.

From the engineering point of view I see that there could be a fault in a cast that leads to such an accident, but a metallographic research of the broken part should show that.

Apart from that it is hard to belive that this could be more than a tragic one-time incident if it happened as described.

If you see what forces these cars go through during testing, it is hard to believe that normal driving under road conditions would lead to such a fault.

One point I would be interested in is how the fallen off wheel could show such a deformation like you see in the picture. If the wheel came off by itself like it happens to Formula one racing cars every once in a while, it should have been sliding alongside or under the car, but it looks as if it has hit something very hard.

But anyway, let's wait and see what will be found out.

Gepost door: Jens Putzier | 01-10-06

Hi, Jens, thank you for your reasonable intervention The arm broke while driving, the wheel stayed thus under the car in the beginning.
One: the weight of the car kept it under and didn't leave it sliding near or under the car.
Two: the car deviated to the right, so the right wheel couldn't do anything else than staying under the car and following the same trajectory.
And it stayed (obviously by inertia, it sprang/flew together with the car) until the car hit the little "hill" outside the highway.
The wheel left completely the car only at the moment op that impact.
For me, the deformation of the wheel comes from the fact that the car was still moving forward (on a deviated trajectory, but still going forward) and pushed the wheel that was not turning anymore – or at lease not turning normally - once that the arm broke. Try to lift such a wheel, you will see...
You know, actually the wheel was indeed “trying” to get under the car, as you say (or the car to get over the wheel).
It is quite complicated to explain in a few words, while all this happened in a couple of seconds. Don't bother to give me a call and I'll explain you even more in detail. Be happy with your new car and regards to your wife!

Gepost door: Aurel | 02-10-06

Land Rover Discovery Jens just confirmed couple solid arguments:

1. (Just) tragic one-time incident. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY.

2. Normal driving under road conditions would not lead to such a fault. THIS IS ALSO WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY.

3. It has hit something very hard. IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING.

Audi Q7 got, however, disappointing crash test results achieving "only" 4 stars:

http://www.euroncap.com/images/results/Off-Roaders/car_262_2006/Audi%20Q7%20Datasheet.pdf

Airbags worked fine. It is almost certain that the wife hit an unknown object.

Gepost door: Jacques | 02-10-06

You also become more reasonable, but not completely Jacques,
Points 1 and 2 of your comments: I never said anything else neither, I agree with your comments.
Point 3 : the car definitely hit the hill near the highway, please read all explanation. It didn't hit anything at all on the highway itself. The experts seemed to agree on this during the technical inspection.

I really do not care about the EuroNCAP test, I know what happened to the Audi Q7 I had. Once again, be patient and wait for the results.

Gepost door: Aurel | 03-10-06

I read the NCAP sheet and apart from minor threats for the drivers upper legs, there seems to be no big hazard. Considering the fact that you do not want to hit anything with 64 km/h dead on anyway, you get out more or less unhurt and that is perfectly ok. The sheet also states that the seat belt reminder is not loud enough and let me tell you, you must be deaf not to hear it. So maybe the NCAP rules are stricter than we think and the car is not too bad after all. I will receive my second Q7 in April and until then they will have solved the welding problem as well ;-)

Gepost door: Jens | 04-10-06

Land Rover Discovery Jens,

I thought that they had already solved the welding problem?

If/when the welding problem is solved, do you think Audi would get higher scores (currently 30 points, which is 3 points short of 5 stars)?

Finally, I think Audi Q7 (some 2300kg & 4 stars) is a safer car than, for example, Ford Galaxy (some 1800kg but 5 stars). Any views?

Jaq

Gepost door: Jacques | 04-10-06

Jaq,

I have no idea, I read about the welding problem for the first time in this NACP statement.

We received our Q7 two weeks ago and have ordered a new one for the end of March, so I guess with the final car we get, any welding problems will be solved if they aren't solved already.

I do believ that the Q7 is sufficient enough for any hazardous situation where a car can possibly save you.

Jens

Gepost door: Jens | 05-10-06

Audi Q7? Kein Grund zum jubeln!

Am enttäuschendsten fiel wohl das Ergebnis für den neuen Audi Q7 aus: 30 Punkte für die Sicherheit der Passagiere reichten nur für vier Sterne. Beim Frontalaufprall konnte er lediglich 12 von 16 Punkten einheimsen - eine Strukturschwäche der Karosse im Fahrerfußraum und ein leicht überhörbare Anschnallerinnerung führten hier zur Abwertung.

Gepost door: Jacques | 05-10-06

I should have bought two Audi's Q7 I had no luck with the first one, with a second one I would have a chance to discover all benefits you guys talk about...

Gepost door: Aurel | 05-10-06

every 6 months
Jens,

You order a new car every 6. months?

Based on yr experience, how much discount (in %) one should get to break even?

Which options are "must" in order to max the residual value in 6 months time?

Jaq

Gepost door: Jacques | 06-10-06


Audi lost 2 points on the seat belt remined, that is ridiculous. If you add those 2 points, Audi would have received 32 points, whixh is 1 point below 33 (required for 5 stars).

SUVs have achieved the following test results (front test only because they got max points for the side test):

VW Touareg 14 points
Volvo XC90 14
BMW X5 13
Audi Q7 12
Nissan Pathfinder 12
LR Disco 3 11
MB M 10
Jeep GC 9

The differences between the leaders and Audi are indeed narrow. Audi had 2 problems, which reduced its scores from 14 to 12:

1. Poor welding resulted in rupture of the footwell area. There was separation of the seam connecting the firewall to the footwell and failure of spot-welds in the footwell and its connection to the A-pillar. Audi have informed us that they have now improved control over this part of production but the car lost points for its performance in this area.

2. Structures in the dashboard presented a potential risk to the knees and femurs of the driver.

Questions on 1:

Audi says that "it has now improved control over this part of production". What does it mean? The issue is gone? If so, would Audi score 14 points like the VW/Volvo? Further, does this mean that the red parts of the Audi dummy are now yellow?

Questions on 2:

I guess this weakness is here to stay?

WHATEVER, IT IS CLEAR THAT THE ACCIDENT IN FRACE WAS AN UNFORTUNATE EVENT DUE TO EXTERNAL CAUSES.

Gepost door: Jacques | 06-10-06

New car every six months No, not really. In this case we bought the Q7 because it has two more seats for children in the 3rd optional row. That is unless you forget to order it (grrrrrr....) Therefore the dealer who knew I wanted the 3rd row but also forgot to check the order, agreed to buy back the initial car after 6 months and I get the second car at a good discount so that I do not lose too much money.

Gepost door: Jens | 06-10-06

EXTERNAL CAUSES ???? "Jaq" wrote:

"WHATEVER, IT IS CLEAR THAT THE ACCIDENT IN FRACE WAS AN UNFORTUNATE EVENT DUE TO EXTERNAL CAUSES."

If you are so visionary, "Jaq" ("it is clear that..."), please explain me how do you know this and what is an external cause for you? For instance a manufactural default from one of Audi's suplliers ?

Gepost door: Aurel | 07-10-06

Get a life
Independent Insurance Company Assessor: "It would appear that the wheel hit an obstruction in the road".

Jens: "It looks as if it has hit something very hard."

SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE!

Gepost door: Jaq | 07-10-06

NO EXTERNAL CAUSE 1) Independent Insurance Company Assessor: "It would appear that the wheel hit an obstruction in the road".

SIMPLY A LIE, THERE HAS BEEN NO INDEPENDENT INSURANCE ASSESSOR THAT CAME ALONG AND SAID THIS.

2) Jens: "It looks as if it has hit something very hard."

INDEED, IT HIT THE HILL AFTER GETTING OUT OF THE HIGHWAY BECAUSE OF THE BROKAN CASTING, IT DIDN'T HIT ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE.

SIMPLY WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.

If there was something on the road, it would have first hit my own Renault, while driving 200 m before with no other car between the Renault and the Audi. If you cannot understand this, try to get some help for the translation.

Gepost door: Aurel | 08-10-06


Yes, there has been an assessment. Apparently you did not even challenge the results at the time.

Whatever, Audi Q7 has now been crashtested also in the US.

Outstanding results, better than what XC90 and Touareg received:

http://www.safercar.gov/NCAP/Cars/4199.html

Gepost door: Jaq | 08-10-06

“JAQ”, I HOPE YOU GET A NICE PAY TO LIE LIKE THIS You're worth a new article posted on this blog, "Jaq"...

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Gepost door: re-therm | 15-04-11

Hallo webgemeinde!
helft mir mal, ich suche florian grotehans, hab gehört das seine firmen pleite sein sollen.

Habe vor x jahren ein handy bei einer firma von florian grotehans aus bad hersfeld gekauft. Hab grosse probleme damit und versuche den zu erreichen.

Nun habe ich gesehen dass die pleite sein sollen:

Geschäfts-Nr.: 11 IN 23/07 Am 26.10.2007 um 10:15 Uhr ist das Insolvenzverfahren eröffnet worden über das Vermögen der T-C-H Service GmbH & Co. KG mit Sitz in Dresden und dem Mittelpunkt der wirtschaftlichen Tätigkeit in Bad Hersfeld, Breitenstraße 37, 36251 Bad Hersfeld (AG Dresden, HRA 5714), vertr. d.: 1. TCH Vermögensverwaltungs GmbH, (persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin), vertr. d.: 1.1. Florian Grotehans, geboren 1982, Am Baumgarten 12, 36251 Bad Hersfeld, (Geschäftsführer). Insolvenzverwalter ist: Rechtsanwalt Dr. Frank Kreuznacht, Untermarkt 23, 99974 Mühlhausen, Tel.: 03601/88920, Fax: 03601/889211, E-Mail: Rechtsanwaelte@dr-wiengarten.de. Anmeldefrist: 17.12.2007.

Erreiche da niemanden, ans Handy geht der nicht. Habe nun auch gehört das gegen den wegen Betrug ermittelt wird.

Kann mir jemand helfen? Wie erreiche ich den?

Danke schonmal!!

Gepost door: ifrogmolan | 06-12-11

Hallo webgemeinde!
helft mir mal, ich suche florian grotehans, hab gehört das seine firmen pleite sein sollen.

Habe vor x jahren ein handy bei einer firma von florian grotehans aus bad hersfeld gekauft. Hab grosse probleme damit und versuche den zu erreichen.

Nun habe ich gesehen dass die pleite sein sollen:

Geschäfts-Nr.: 11 IN 23/07 Am 26.10.2007 um 10:15 Uhr ist das Insolvenzverfahren eröffnet worden über das Vermögen der T-C-H Service GmbH & Co. KG mit Sitz in Dresden und dem Mittelpunkt der wirtschaftlichen Tätigkeit in Bad Hersfeld, Breitenstraße 37, 36251 Bad Hersfeld (AG Dresden, HRA 5714), vertr. d.: 1. TCH Vermögensverwaltungs GmbH, (persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin), vertr. d.: 1.1. Florian Grotehans, geboren 1982, Am Baumgarten 12, 36251 Bad Hersfeld, (Geschäftsführer). Insolvenzverwalter ist: Rechtsanwalt Dr. Frank Kreuznacht, Untermarkt 23, 99974 Mühlhausen, Tel.: 03601/88920, Fax: 03601/889211, E-Mail: Rechtsanwaelte@dr-wiengarten.de. Anmeldefrist: 17.12.2007.

Erreiche da niemanden, ans Handy geht der nicht. Habe nun auch gehört das gegen den wegen Betrug ermittelt wird.

Kann mir jemand helfen? Wie erreiche ich den?

Danke schonmal!!

Gepost door: ifrogmolan | 07-12-11

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